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The SAT and Pitzer College 01-02
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What comments, if any, would you like to make about Pitzer College? What should we do more of? What should we do less of? What problems should be addressed? What assets should be highlighted?

Respondant Number Response
1 we need to become more of a "community" involving all (students, faculty and staff)
2 I believe Pitzer College takes other factors into account and doesn't rely so heavily on the SAT as do several other schools. At Pitzer, GPA is of utmost importance as well as extracurricular/volunteer/world-bettering activities. This is good.
3 The greatest problem I see at Pitzer today is the large freshman classes being accepted, with fewer students of any academic and intellectual quality and, more importantly, PERFORMANCE. Not only should Pitzer look at how a student has performed academically and in community service at their High School, Pitzer should be interested in what application any of that has to their place as a student HERE! Students are coming in with low GPA's, low test scores, and little or no interest in becoming actively involved INTELLECTUALLY at Pitzer. I think it's great that we've got a lot of students who are politically involved in extra-curricular activities. What I would like to see more of is academic clubs, and students who want to make their political and social mindedness a part of a greater intellectual and academic experience. Let's slim down our incoming classes, and look more to the quality of student being brought into our largely unacademic community.
4 Pitzer needs to improve its reputation.
The average SAT score of students is one way to measure academic strength of a college, However I think it is possible to raise academic standards at the same time that we make the SAT optional.
5 Pitzer is a school that strives for diversity. It focuses on addessing problems that students of color may face. It seems fitting that a school like Pitzer would want to abolish the SATs because it recognizes the flaws and inherent discrimination. However, as I have already mentioned, I do not beloeve that it is the best interests of the school or even the students to abolish the SATs. It is just part of the admission process, it is not everything.
6 I feel Pitzer continues to move in the correct direction in terms of academics, asthetics, and in trying to increase student retention. However much more must be done, and the administration must be more willing to work with students on issues prevalent and important on this campus.
7 Pitzer fortunatly does not focus upon SAT scores in comparrison to other schools (specifically large unviersities). I would strongly support the abolishment of SATs if there were a larger percentage of schools who were doing the same thing
8 I think Pitzer should put more emphasis on writing skills in the admissions process. Writing is the most important, intelligent expression of excellence and Pitzer should place heavy emphasis on writing skills. Also, Pitzer needs to consider that many people who do well on SAT's are people who excell in life. It is true that the SAT discriminates against some students, but some students do very well on the SAT. Pitzer needs to find a way to attract the all-around excellent student and unique individual in order to advance the academic cirriculum at Pitzer.
9 We need to be more of the liberal arts college (as opposed to a social and behavioral science school) we were -- and are -- chartered to be, and we need a larger faculty.
10 we should have more of a diverse student body, less drugs/drinking
11 There needs to be less drama. People here are so fucking sensitive. It drives me crazy. Mind your own business, do your own work, change the world the way you want to.
12 i think that there needs to be more of a focus on activities and student participation. while there are activities on campus, for some reason student choose not to participate, ever. they gripe and whine about activities, yet they absolutely refuse to make suggestions. pitzer is small enough that if even one person wants to plan, or go on an event, it is definitely possible with a suggestion to the right people, who are also students, and who are very approachable.
13 I like pitzer. I don't like the inherent flaws in the SAT, but I do think that they are better than nothing.
14 I am very fond of Pitzer and its commitment to social change. I think it would be remarkable if Pitzer took the first step in ridding itself of one of the many barriers that exist when applying to college. Institutional racism is still strongly apparent in our institution and changing the admissions guideline would greatly affect our reputation in a positive light.
15 none, thanks
16 It is obvious to all that there is definitely a need for diversity on this campus, not just racial but economic as well. I don't know how true this is, but I once heard someone say that whenever the school needs money they admit "a bunch of rich white kids that can pay full tuition w/o financial aid." Sounds possible, who knows?
17 I think the most important thing to consider in the SAT debate here at Pitzer is the way that it is used in the admissions process. The SAT is not given such weight that it is considered more than other factors and therefore despite its imperfections is better than giving any other factor undue weight.
18 Pitzer is entirely too "kick-back;" I think most students here are allowed to get away with way more (e.g. late assignments, not enough assignments, etc.) than the other Claremont Colleges.
19 I think that Pitzer College is hard to get into. But it shouldn't be hard to get into because they chose to go by S.A.T. scores.
20 We have a lot to gain from abolishing the S.A.T. It is an opportunity to increase rankings, selectivity, and a fairer admission criteria.
21 i've enjoyed my time here at pitzer, especially the freedom to take advantage of the entire 5-c community.
22 When I applied to Pitzer I really liked the criteria with its heavy focus on a person's independent motivation to learn and not just on scores.
23 Pitzer is only a small part of college education and many people come here because of Pitzer approach to humanity,diversity, and freedom, but we must continue to support some standard of testing throughout the whole college system for these are the bootstraps that helps pull other along.
24 Although we call ourselves "diverse" the school is racially segregated by social groups. What does diversity accomplish if it only reinforces pretermined categories? How can we create an environment that fosters interactions between people of different backgrounds?
25 PItzer needs to develop more pretige and when selecting a college, students look at test scores of colleges and compare with their own. More socially aware activities, too many adminstrators, give food workers a living wage! PItzer is ugly campus, but a nice one! More free bands
26 Pitzer is now a good school. It can be better academically and ethically, and we should work to improve it.
27 can you please cut down on the drugs?? it gets more and more ridiculous every day. You are losing students because of it. I know people planning to transfer because of the high incidence of drug use.
Regardless of pitzer's standpoint on drug use, this is america, and these drugs are ILLEGAL; pitzer should uphold the laws of america whenever possible, expecially when it hurts other people when they're broken - some of my hallmates, including myself, get sick from the smoke, many of us have almost continuous headaches. it really sucks. I do not pay this much money to get my lungs shredded or to be kept awake all night by screaming girls.
28 Be happy, love lots.
29 The slow service of maintenance!!!!! There are three different broken things in my room, one of which was reported to maintenance at the end of September. I have called as well as talked to them in person and it still isn't fixed! If Pitzer is going to charge us for things being broken at the end of the year, they should at least provide services to fix them in a somewhat speedy manner. There are many students in my hall that have broken screens or burnt out lights, not because they are lazy, but because maintenance has failed to follow up and fix them. That is not to say that maintenance does nothing, because they did fix one thing and they raised my bed in a timely manner, however, in general I think something needs be done to make maintenance more effective, efficient and organized. Thank you.
30 I like Pitzer but I think that there is entirely too much politics that go on. The focus of the adminstration should be the student wishes and welfare instead of their own bottom line.
31 I absolutely love it here! I could not feel more comfortable or more at home.
32 Pitzer College is a great school, but I fear that eliminating the SAT will lower our school's rankings for the worse. Our second tier classification, will soon be a third one in the future. If Pitzer ever wants to be in the same category as Pomona or CMC, Pitzer must continue to use the SAT in admissions.
33 Pitzer College is a great school, but I fear that eliminating the SAT will lower our school's rankings for the worse. Our second tier classification, will soon be a third one in the future. If Pitzer ever wants to be in the same category as Pomona or CMC, Pitzer must continue to use the SAT in admissions.
34 Pitzer sells itself as a school that teaches students to be socially and environmentally repsonsible. Pitzer's administration lacks of social environmental responsibility. Pitzer has yet to fulfill the image that they sell to others.
35 We are a good school. Some students take drugs and sell drugs and this makes things really bad in the dorms for the majority of students.
36 Pitzer should do what is just for society and be socially responsible no matter how our image will look...at first.
37 We need to work on our freshman. We need to work on getting top students (both academically as well as socially) here and keeping them here, our retention rates suck. We need to have a better sense of community, people need to take pride in our school and I think that starts with teaching it to the freshman, all the vadelism and lack of respect for the community that is Pitzer college sucks, do something to create an environment students take pride in. the administration should also try and stick around a bit longer. In the 3 years Ive been here all of our deans have changed at least once, we got a new president, and not only do I not know who my hall directors are, but they have definatly never been the same, I do know that.
38 Pitzer had the advantage of being a small school. It means that we have the ability to examine a possible student in numerous facets. It means the SAT's can be useful in determing admittance without biasing against those with potential but poor scores. I think the SAT's (and the GRE's for that matter) become more questionable in larger schools that often use equations to eliminate applicants.
39 As a place that is quirky and eclectic and experimental, Pitzer has a special need to pursue excellence. It is so very easy for the conventional places in this world--the Pomonas--to deride the experimental, that we must protect the possibility of our quirkiness and eclecticism--our queerness, if you will--by being sure that our programs are unimpeachable in their quality. The same argument applies if one shifts focus a bit to look at Pitzer's admirable commitment to diversity. Nothing will discredit the pursuit of diversity more quickly than its detachment from the pursuit of academic excellence. In short, all of the best things about Pitzer require a significantly greater commitment to excellence than has been evident over the last one to two decades.
40 We should work to instill a stronger sense of academic responsibility in Pitzer students. Whatever they choose to study, many of them need to learn to do it more diligently.
41 I would have pre-college level math and science courses available for students in order to bring theri abilities in the basics up tot speed-Thus increasing the minority representation in Medicine.
42 The sat 2 are still a good idea.
43 Schools are "put on the map" because their academics is really high, their athletics is high, or both. Pitzer's S.A.T. scores are low, and their athletics are not popular, so that pretty much puts Pitzer in the "what?" categorie when it comes to telling people where you go. I believe that if Pitzer wants more presitge and wants to be looked at as better, they should take part in more recruiting, they should make their campus more diverse, they should make effort to help students who want to get into Pitzer but don't have the qualities that it takes. If Pitzer is all about improvement, they should improve themselves first.
44 We need more students who have sensitivity
to the nuances of language and logic --
the S. A. T. I measures that -- AS WELL AS
more students who want to contribute in
a positive way to their own communities and
to the communities of those who have been
screwed by our current social order.
Admissions should find as many people who
do both these things as possible.
45 I love being here at Pitzer, but I am aware that others are not. What ever the reasons people are unhappy should be addressed. We need a happy and contributing alumni.
46 The essay, the high school grades, the extra activities should be considered the major deciding factors for admission.
47 What Pitzer does better than any other school that I know of, is to allow students to find their own path, their own voice and truly gives students the power to make the most of their own education. This not only provides wonderful opportunities within a learning environment, but also provides a measure of responsibility and accountability akin to the professional world.
48 Pitzer has horrible racism, sexism, homophobia even though we say we dont have any. We need to address how our culture at Pitzer operates to reinforce relations of privilege when it operates AS IS.
Our assets are student-teacher interaction, outstanding possibilities for study abroad and social justice projects. Our assets are also access to prestigious fellowships. Excellent preparation for grad school.
49 Pitzer College should not




Pitzer College should not tout its Mother Jones activist award on one hand and deny the cafeteria workers a just wage hike on the other. Pitzer should not advertize itself as a model of diversity on one hand while bypassing affirmative action hiring procedures in many staff positions on the other.

50 Pitzer does a good job at considering the student as a person and not a number. I think their application process seems very fair. I think students here have a very wide range of SAT scores.
51 Interviews ought to be mandatory in the admissions process (they are currently optional). If the SAT is a mandatory tool for determining admission, then so should interviews.
52 The drug abuse and vandalism problems must be addressed. I am not sure how to do this. Becoming more police-like doesn not seem to have worked. Perhaps looking into community programs that have worked elsewhere and changing them to fit Pitzer's culture might work. Couldn't the student/faculty initiative funds be used to conduct a study and program planning? This might be a great project for organizational studies majors or public health people???
53 we should do a much better job of highlighting our academic resources. but "excellence" is a riduculous measure to tout without qualifying what that means--so i guess we need to do a better job of articulating pitzer pedagogy/curriculum/faculty resources in terms of their truly unique value without downplaying a sense of academic rigor/"Excellence." our best students came to Pitzer when they heard that message and made it their own.
54 Pitzer should try to attract more academically inclined people.
55 I think that Pitzer should address the problem of places that they do not look for admission and while i feel that we make and admirable effort to reach out we just do not have enough staff to look everywhere.
56 Pitzer does a good job of looking at much more than SAT scores when admiting students. other private schools claim to do that but really don't. because of pitzer's unique attitude in admissions they have collected an interesting and interested group of people. the campus would look very different if they didn't do that. look at essays, extra-curicular activities, and grades. those lead to more interesting groups of people.
57 I, personally I have had a horrible time at Pitzer, 2 out of the 5 semesters I have been at Pitzer, I have not had an ID card, I have been tossed out of my room by a fellow student, to live offcampus, as a disabled student, I have had great difficulty recieving accomidations at the school, I have not been able/allowed to participate in school activities, and have been charged for a meal card, I do not possess.
58 incorporate into our educations relevant to students of color, increasing and maintaining diversity after acceptance
59 Pitzer has been a college different from all others and it needs to stay that way.
60 The nice people
61 Problems with communtcation about happenings in the school should be adressed. This maks me, for one, uncomfortable, i like to know what is going on at the school I attend. I don't want propaganda. I want both sides of a story and I want communication.
62 The small classes are great, as are the professors. The workload could be more challenging though. I work at least 25 hours per week, play a sport, take five classes and still have plenty of time for more work.
63 I LIKE THE COLLEGE AND MY MAJOR
64 We need to improve advising--if faculty do not have the time, then there should be an academic advising office to assist.

To maintain small classes, we need to increase the size of our faculty--our student body has increased in size, but our faculty has remained constant.

65 There needs to more diversity on this campus, there is not enough! I would also like to point out that the brochures Pitzer and the Claremont Colleges put out are misleading. They make it seem there is alot of diversity on campus but photographing all the students of color and placing them in their brochures to entice students. I felt I was lied to when I visted this campus, but nonetheless i am recieving a good education.
66 I understand that Pitzer is a very liberal college, and I understand that it would like to give everyone admission regardless of their SAT scores, which show who has had educational opportunities and who has not, but this seems somewhat ridiculous. Just because someone has not had the same academic opportunity as the rest of us does not mean that they are qualified to attend Pitzer. I would not want someone in my classes, bringing down the rest of the students, because he/she does not have the same skills and abilities. My parents are paying $35,000 so that I can make the most of my education, this would not occur if my classes had a bunch of kids in them whose skills and abilities did not match up with those of the rest of the students in the class.
67 The Judicial Comitee is very bright and they should control all the power when discussing student's rights.
68 Pitzer needs to create a better community. We boast about our liberal strengths and are ability to discuss matters freely and accept different people into our community with relative ease. But at the same time we also need to consider that alumni giving is one of the lowest among liberal arts colleges simply because many graduates feel no close connection to the college. Pitzer needs to create traditions, positions, and endeavors of which all students, past and present, can be proud. By creating a strong community setting with frequent student, faculty, and staff interaction outside the academic arena we can all participate and take joy in all the things we like about Pitzer College.
69 I feel we should continue to recruit strongly among all communities and raise Pitzer's profile as a welcoming place for a diverse student body. I particularly hope we continue Early Academic Outreach and use our alumni network increasingly to reach out to promising Pitzer students of all backgrounds and levels of ability to pay. I feel that we should continue to strive to remain a "selective" college; realize that we occupy a specific niche in education that is highly vulnerable (small, private liberal arts); and we should not mistake the structural effects that occur in large data samples with the very small pool we draw from and accept.
70 Put words into action.
71 I love Pitzer college, except the FOOD sucks.
72 admissions should be based on intellect, not wealth and privelege. the SAT gauges intellect far better than GPA or what snotty high school one went to.
73 i think this is a noble discussion to bring up and i am proud that pitzer is engaging in it. pitzer's ideals are good ones, it is only a matter of progressively changing to fit those ideals. once we acknowledge the problems, lets think of ways to actively fix them, not just keep talking about them, or take away options without providing better ones in their place.
74 THE DINNING HALL WORKERS
they need health care. i am sick of hearing pitzer is a socially conscious school when people in our own community are struggling to survive. if the pitzer college was sincerely interested in supporting miniority students-and students of color- people of color- if pitzer was really socailly conscious we could be honest about what system we live under and address those problems realistically. many students of color feel tokenized and alienated. if we actually make it here its a wonder why we dont all drop out just due to the fact that we live in a predominantly white environment- an environment where women, people of color, and queers are repeatidly silenced.
75 We have a very bright set of students. continue what we are doing.
76 stop bullshitting that we are sooo right on when a myraid of practises and policies clearly illustrate we are not
77 stop bullshitting that we are sooo right on when a myraid of practises and policies clearly illustrate we are not
78 I think that SAT's should be considered as one component of the whole package and should be given a significant weight. I also think that Pitzer should take more affirmative action to keep people of diverse backgrounds to attend this college. This include offering more financial aid and scholarships to these people.
79 It is important that our addmissions procedures are the best they can be and that they are as unbiased as possible, but we should beware of letting standards drop before taking this step. I do not think abolishing the SAT is a bad thing at all nor do I think it will hurt our image. We have allways had the image of an alternative and activist college and this will only reinforce that. It must not be a brash movement, though, the addmisions department should have plenty of time to reorganize their procedures so that there will be no glitches or temporary lowerings of standards.

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